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somewhereskies thank you for your

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today on the show astrophysicist

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principal investigator of vasco and

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winner of the l'oreal prize for women in

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science beatriz villar oil

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my team is searching for objects that

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have vanished or appeared during 70

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years on our night sky

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this includes a number of exotic

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astrophysical phenomena including stars

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that collapse directly into black holes

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it also includes

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possible signatures of et

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our research is basic research which

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means that it contributes to human

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knowledge and aims to answer some of the

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most profound questions for example are

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we alone here

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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beatrice thank you so much for joining

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us today on somewhere in the skies

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it's a pleasure

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yeah we're really excited to talk to you

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when chrissy and i first heard about

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your work and we saw that you were the

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winner of the uh the 2021 l'oreal unesco

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for women in science award we were like

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yes this is someone we have to talk to

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you not only because of the amazing work

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you've done but um highlighting the work

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of women in science which which you know

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is an issue a lot of the times when it

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comes to

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who's at the forefront of talking about

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these things and um we were super

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excited so

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yeah um chrissy if you don't mind i'd

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love to start and ask beatrice the

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obvious question like how she got

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interested in all this stuff so beatrice

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how did you first get interested in

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astrophysics and what made you want to

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take that that journey

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actually it wasn't a clear thing for me

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i always liked a lot of things and i

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have always been very passionate about

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music since i was a kid i really loved

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playing violin a lot i still love

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playing violin

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at the same time i was quite intrigued

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by science and i was

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as a teenager i was particularly

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interested in molecular biology and i

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thought that it was so cool like how dna

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becomes a protein and all these things

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however with time i discovered like that

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there were many questions in

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astrophysics that intrigued me as well

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and i mean and since i was a kid i was

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always kind of a nerd i loved star wars

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and all these things and so astronomy

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has kind of been very natural for me

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like a choice

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right well you're talking to two star

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wars fans here as well so you're in good

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company you're in good company um i love

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that i love hearing the origin story of

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how people get interested in what they

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do um chrissy do you want to take it

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yeah you said music you brought up the

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music part have you been able to bring

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bridge music and your passion for it

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into the work that you're doing in

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science has there been any intersections

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years it's chamber music concert at my

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alma mater

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where i did my phd during those years i

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was doing my phd studies i also

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organized this concert and sometimes

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played on them

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so i did that

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okay it has been very important for me

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to kind of keep the music alive i can't

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function unless i both do music and

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science at the same time

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yeah and you have like two um research

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fields can you break them down a little

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active galactic nuclei i think many

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might have heard of quasars and

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and they know that quasars are like

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extremely luminous galaxy cores that you

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these kind of quasars i've been very

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very interested in trying to understand

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the physics and

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of them

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and the second thing i'm very interested

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in is searching for vanishing stars

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because this is a field that is pretty

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untouched

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and that i always been or not always but

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that i have been very excited about in

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the last years

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is where what i'm really interested in

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hearing about and how this will

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eventually relate to uh you know the

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search for extraterrestrial intelligence

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and whatnot but i actually heard you in

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an interview um talk about how you first

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got interested in the idea of vanishing

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stars and i loved how endearing the

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story was uh would you mind sharing that

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with us

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sure i can't i can tell the story i

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actually also posted it on my blog on

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the 11th 11th of february on the um

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international day for women and girls in

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science

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i was younger i was uh i think either i

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was in my undergrad years i was a phd

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student i don't remember exactly

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i i used to write some kind of fables

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and short stories and when i whenever i

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had something i wanted to tell you you

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should type it down for myself

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it's i usually never share these stories

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or very seldom i share it with someone

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and so i was writing this kind of fable

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about that sad quasar

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and i kind of

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wrote it and then i to watch and i sent

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him through a wormhole and

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and then i kind of started wondering has

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anyone ever seen an object just

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vanishing from the sky

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has nothing to do with science

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nothing with science it was just um

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a younger version of myself

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typing up these fables and stories and

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that's kind of how i got the idea i got

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stuck with it and then i wanted to check

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it the problem was that i didn't have

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any tools i didn't have the means i

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didn't know which surveys i could use

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year of my phd studies i knew how i

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could do it

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and i tried and i tried it with like one

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percent of the database that i had

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access to because it was

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a too big um effort

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and that's kind of how vasco project was

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it turned out to be super difficult to

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check technically

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interesting i i see that's so

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cool how like your curiosity as a kid

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would ultimately lead to like this huge

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project that you undertook i love

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hearing stories like that we always hear

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like science fiction

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you know inspires a lot of scientists

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until they can make it science fact when

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you when i heard that story i was like i

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have to ask her about that but um the

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vasco project um i'd love to hear you

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know how you started this

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um what exactly it is and yeah would you

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mind telling us a little more about that

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so the vasco project is the vanishing

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and appearing sources during a century

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of observations project is a project

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where we are looking for vanishing

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objects anything that vanishes from the

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sky and the hope is to find something

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that was there there always was there

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and one day it just vanishes of course

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we don't know if these objects exist

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at all we only know that there are not

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many studies that are dedicated to look

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for them because people just assume that

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it kind of doesn't happen

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if you have a star that dies either is

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go supernova or it's going to transform

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vanish so now there is actually is a

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hypothesis that some stars might

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collapse directly into a black hole

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the vasco project is therefore looking

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for these kind of punishing objects

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connection to like steady research

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an example of a so-called impossible

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we proposed in a paper in 2016 that you

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can look for things that

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are impossible let's say a star that

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vanishes or a galaxy that vanishes to

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uh would be a sign of something that

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and uh we know from arthas c clark's

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laws that anything that looks like magic

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uh can just be a very very advanced

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i'm not sure if i

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said it exactly as it was written there

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but something in this

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research community you know what may

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look impossible to us and even some of

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our most advanced you know fighter

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pilots saying that what they saw

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performed unlike anything they'd ever

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magic to us until we understand the

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technology being displayed in what these

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fascinating as well um before uh chrissy

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vasco project i love to know have you

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yeah i think we're on the right track

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i think we found something that is very

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compelling but could also have a very

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mundane and boring cause and we don't

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know which one it is right now if it's

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the exciting cause or the boring cause

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so last year we published a paper

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in scientific reports where we see nine

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sources of light that appear and vanish

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within half an hour

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or like or something of that order of

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magnitude within the exposure time of

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the photographic plates

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so this plate is from 1950

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and

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you have these star looking things that

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are there if you look at the plate that

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was taking half an hour earlier they are

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not there you take a look at this like

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at the same region of the sky

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six days later and they are not there

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so we have to try to like identify the

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cause we do we

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try to look for all kind of

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astrophysical effects that could cause

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that and it's simply too many of these

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transients uh

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you know some too small image of the sky

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to be anything that we know

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like any astrophysical phenomenon that

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we are aware of

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so we did all those checks

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uh all known as the physics uh gone

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so then we started looking at all kind

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of instrumental issues we have been

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thinking for example double exposure and

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so on and we haven't found

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anything that that shows or proves us

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that this is something instrumental

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either

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which of course means it still can be

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instrumental for example maybe

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maybe there is some type of rare

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contamination or something like that

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that would look exactly like stars

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so we've been thinking if it could be

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well so maybe a nuclear fallout or

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something like that

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and um

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something boring

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and we have been wondering if it could

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be something more exciting

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because

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it doesn't have to be instrumental

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effects even if we know that most of the

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times it is still the boring explanation

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that wins over time

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um

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and this kind of more exciting idea has

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been that maybe

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maybe uh what we see could be some kind

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of solar reflection

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so like reflections of objects that are

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in high orbit around earth and that

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objects that are very reflective and

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flat

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um because if you would actually use the

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same instrumentation and have a look at

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images today you have so much of space

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that is that you can actually see

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transients that kind of appear and

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vanish in a small image

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this is kind of one of the things that

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you see

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when you have these space temperatures

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you see lots of glints here and there

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however this image is from 1950 seven

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years before spooked nikon

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so

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that's the more exciting

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uh hypothesis but one should always

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start with the most boring explanation

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and maybe

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go from there

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yeah

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fallout is boring but um

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i hope it's the other answer i honestly

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do um well um chrissy i'd love if you

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took it yeah from here i know we have

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some other questions relating to vasco

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and and whatnot yeah please

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i just i think it even if it's mundane

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it's still exciting like all the

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research that you're doing is is

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wonderful and exciting overall

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um

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i wonder like just does your work cross

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over into cosmology and it has it and if

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so how does it how does it cross over

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into it uh my work is not crossing over

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to cosmology right now

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um

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the work i do with agn

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sometimes has some

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um

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some

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implications for cosmology possibly or

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some of it might have had all the

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objects i work with are fairly close to

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me

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or to us

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so it doesn't really

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dive into cosmology as such um well you

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did mention

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instruments features um i'd love to know

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where where do you work out of when

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you're when you're doing this um what

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type of instruments are you using um is

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this a

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like an observatory in sweden that you

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use or how does that work it's much uh

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simpler for me

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in this sense i don't work with the

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instruments directly myself i use

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public data from

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like surveys that have been done by

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other astronomers

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example i use images from the sloan

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digital sky survey

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i use images from the palomar sky

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surveys these images that were taken in

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the 50s and 60s and so on

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that that actually bleeds into my next

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question then um

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citizen science you know how

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how can people

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you know who and amateur astronomers or

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or people like that how can they

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actually be a part of the research i

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guess is my question and um how far have

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you gone into the citizen science realm

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so we have actually made a citizen

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science project and it has been

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developed by the uppsala university's

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i.t department

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where they have a designed the very

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wonderful web page that is also gamified

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so that this should be a little bit more

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fun for the users

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where a citizen scientist can go there

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and compare two images of the sky one

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from 1950

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and one from let's say five or ten years

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ago

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and can see if a star that was there has

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vanished in the new image

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so when the citizen science this can go

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there and

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make any comments

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she or he

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finds important

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well simply participate in the project

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it's open for everyone and

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the citizen science project is very fun

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for me to work with as well

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we are working in particular with

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some institutes in

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in algeria and in nigeria

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and uh with amateur associations in

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algeria and it's super fun because we

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have a very good collaboration

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there

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i love that the whole citizen science

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thing really i think brings the world

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together you know it seems like there's

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a lot of division in the world going on

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right now but i love that coming back to

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these topics of you know space

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exploration

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and um even ufos it actually like

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bridges that gap and we can all

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like come together and share our

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information so yeah i think that's

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awesome that's why i love citizen

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science um citizen archaeology i'm part

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of an amateur project there where i go

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over google map images for hours on end

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to see if you know i'm finding the same

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things as other people so i i finally my

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dream has come true and i'm sort of in

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indiana jones so that's uh that's fun

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for me that i can have some

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some place in the scientific world so

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chrissy please take it from there yeah

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yeah no i think that's wonderful it's

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fabulous you're based in sweden from my

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from what i know

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i and i'm gonna just you know go into

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the ufo question i've talked to some

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people you know in clubhouse and you

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know which is a great app and you get to

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you know talk to people internationally

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in real time

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and a friend now that's in the clubhouse

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is from sweden and he said that the

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conversation around ufos is is not

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really big in sweden do you do you know

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why that might be um you know they say

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it's kind of like people are really mom

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about it it's not very much of a

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conversation now or maybe that's

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changing

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uh i don't

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recall many conversation about ufos with

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any one of my swedish colleagues or

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swedish friends i think there's a very

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different approach or attitude to ufos

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in united states and in sweden

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and i think like

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um if a swede sees something weird on

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the sky

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she or he will most likely first say

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well maybe it's a helicopter or maybe

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it's a weird airplane and the the

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interpretation will always be

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um

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will maybe

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always be the most boring explanation

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first

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maybe

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i can imagine that

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i love to kind of play off of that

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beatrice the idea of ufos a lot of

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people do believe

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that these are

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craft or these are some sort of

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intelligence that might be

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extraterrestrial in origin so

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in the research and work you've done has

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there ever been any compelling data that

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would lead you to believe that there

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might be

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extraterrestrial intelligence out there

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um interstellar even uh yeah what do you

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think about the whole idea of these ufos

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people seeing on earth

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could be piloted or in control by some

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sort of i guess e.t

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i think i am a you for agnostic

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in the sense that i actually don't know

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at all what i think about it it's like

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depending on if you ask me in the

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morning or in the evening you might get

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a different answer

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[Laughter]

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so that's kind of my

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um

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initial like impression on ufos i think

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that people's experiences are always

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real or almost always relay like in 99

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of the cases

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on the other hand i don't know if i

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would attribute them to anything

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supernatural that's that's exactly what

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i hope to find out if there's

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some

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behind this kind of sightings

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that's something i think it would be

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super cool if i had a chance to find out

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during my lifetime as a researcher on

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the other hand i think there is um

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[Music]

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a very wonderful opportunity for

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astronomers to study anomalies on the

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sky now especially if there is some kind

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of support for that uh

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your website things might be

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real sightings of something anomalous

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i i think it brings a wonderful

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opportunity

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for projects like the galileo project

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and i i think one shouldn't miss out on

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this beautiful opportunity to learn more

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about the universe

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but so far i must say i haven't seen

568
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,919
anything that has convinced me in

569
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,720
in science that there is um

570
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:30,400
um

571
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:31,440
that the

572
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:34,400
here

573
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,360
indications that might one might uh see

574
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,600
published in the scientific literature

575
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,520
and that says that the question is

576
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,360
justified to pose and that we should be

577
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,400
looking

578
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,000
maybe more like that

579
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,840
i love that at least you're willing to

580
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,480
ask the question because i feel like for

581
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:55,520
so long many in the scientific community

582
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,320
weren't willing to do that and we do see

583
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,960
individuals you know kind of putting

584
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,880
let's be honest their reputation on the

585
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,039
line and saying we need to ask this

586
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,520
question that is part of the scientific

587
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,000
method you have people like avi loeb

588
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,320
with the galileo project you have um

589
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:14,880
your project with vasco and searching

590
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,840
for dying stars and what that could mean

591
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,919
um so i guess

592
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:22,159
kind of playing off of that i'd love to

593
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,000
know um seti is this a organization that

594
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,080
you've ever worked with and what do you

595
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,240
think about their idea of searching for

596
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,720
extraterrestrial intelligence through uh

597
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,640
such things as radio waves do you think

598
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:35,919
there are more

599
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,799
uh beneficial ways that we could be

600
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,520
trying to search for et intelligence or

601
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,039
even communicate with them other than

602
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,840
just radio signals

603
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:47,919
i think looking for radio signals is a

604
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,600
fantastic uh first idea to explore and

605
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,320
one has been doing it since the 1960s

606
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:56,400
and i think there's a very

607
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,440
wide parameter space one can look into

608
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:01,200
and

609
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,400
i think it's great that they are doing

610
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,039
researchers in california

611
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,799
i think however that one can also try

612
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,720
different methods i think

613
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,840
for example

614
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,320
expanding searches in the optical

615
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,760
expanding searches um

616
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,440
with other methods

617
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,039
for example like doing more space

618
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,799
archaeology

619
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,960
in the solar system because there are so

620
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,960
many different ways one can look for et

621
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,080
and ex and if one is willing to look for

622
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,799
thing for life far far far away i don't

623
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,960
see why we shouldn't be looking for

624
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:35,520
uh extraterrestrials much closer to also

625
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
science

626
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,480
of extraterrestrial life

627
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,279
and much closer to

628
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,600
yeah where we are

629
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,080
if if the ufos really are caused by

630
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,640
extraterrestrials it means that it's a

631
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,799
low-lying fruit or low-hanging fruit

632
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:52,799
long low-hanging fruit

633
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,000
for uh for scientists to sort out

634
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,159
yeah did you um by chance get to read

635
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,799
the ufo report that was released there's

636
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,360
a preliminary report right on june 25th

637
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,799
of last year

638
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,799
what was your perspective from it in the

639
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,640
you know your scientific perspective of

640
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,480
it and your thoughts and feelings around

641
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,240
it

642
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,480
i i have been thinking about that report

643
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,039
quite a lot and i've been changing my

644
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,279
opinion back and forth about it as well

645
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,559
depending on if you ask me in the

646
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,200
morning or enabling

647
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:25,279
i found it very interesting

648
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,070
i am still skeptical to it because it's

649
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,640
these status is not public it's not

650
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,640
published it's a report

651
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,559
and it's not like scientists can go

652
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,080
there and have a look at the data and

653
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,000
play with it themselves you just need to

654
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,440
trust whoever who wrote the report that

655
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,600
the analysis was currently done

656
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:46,720
so i'm

657
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,279
at the same time as i find it as a good

658
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,360
enough reason to

659
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,880
actually do this research for those who

660
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,400
are interested i think we need to remove

661
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,880
the stigma from you for research

662
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,279
and and i think that's kind of what the

663
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,840
u.s government is trying to do to get

664
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:05,919
their active military

665
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,679
involved and to report these ufos when

666
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,919
in the past they haven't done that but i

667
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:13,679
think you're right i think the next big

668
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,919
step is well we that data in the reports

669
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,240
where does that go next and

670
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,720
i obviously believe it should be going

671
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,679
to the scientific community the ones who

672
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:27,760
can actually explain these things i

673
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:30,360
think in the report they looked at

674
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:34,799
144 ufo reports and they explained one

675
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,159
one as a balloon but what about the 143

676
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,120
others could they be explained by

677
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,039
citizen science could they be explained

678
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,320
by our top leading scientists throughout

679
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:48,720
the world possibly but that information

680
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,760
is classified and we will probably never

681
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,159
know what's in it so how do we study

682
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,320
something when we don't have the data to

683
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,240
study it that's the uh i think the

684
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,039
conundrum and in the frustration by many

685
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,279
in the science world and in the ufo

686
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,320
community of hey look we could help you

687
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,960
um may we we'll probably be wrong but we

688
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,120
could at least ask questions that you're

689
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,760
not so i mean that's my personal opinion

690
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,679
on the report uh but people have heard

691
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,760
my opinion enough yeah i think it's

692
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,039
actually a really

693
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
it's a great comment that you said like

694
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,880
how are we really able to fact check it

695
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,559
it's just somebody who wrote it and now

696
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,320
it's we have to take it as fact i think

697
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,520
that's

698
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,400
right

699
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,880
um why you know we we should be able to

700
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,960
ask more questions and hopefully in the

701
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,200
next coming months you know in years

702
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,039
that when more reports come out they

703
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,799
start giving us better data because i

704
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,000
think you're right the scientific

705
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,480
community is going to ask for it and i'm

706
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,159
happy that i think i'm really happy you

707
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:45,919
made that comment

708
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,799
uh one thing that we are going to

709
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,400
to do or that we are trying to do now

710
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,360
with the vasco project is that um so we

711
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,440
are trying to test for this hypothesis

712
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,120
that there might be something

713
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,159
uh artificial in high orbits around the

714
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,840
earth before

715
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,640
and the first satellite was launched

716
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,559
and this turns out to be quite easy to

717
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,279
do

718
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,000
if you use old photographic material

719
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,480
from uh let's say from the 50s or if you

720
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:14,960
would have material that is even older

721
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,840
because what you can can look for is

722
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,000
several blinds that fall upon a line

723
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,240
because if you have something

724
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,279
that is very reflective and it's um

725
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,520
far away from the earth and

726
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,600
and it maybe rotates or spins around its

727
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:32,080
exits it's going to give us a few glints

728
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,360
and that's kind of what we see today

729
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,360
also with satellites and you can look

730
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,360
for these things and

731
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,799
you can look for this in all

732
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,279
photographic plate material and if you

733
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,679
have a single piece it should show up in

734
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,559
these

735
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,760
images

736
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,679
and that's one thing we can do

737
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,120
then we don't deal with any human

738
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,080
reports not with any classified data we

739
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,159
deal with public data

740
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,159
data that is already out there digitized

741
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,559
there that any person can get access to

742
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:00,240
citizen scientists can help to look

743
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:01,200
through it

744
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,880
and if there's a single sign of et or a

745
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,880
single

746
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,799
piece of metal in the wrong place at the

747
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,159
wrong time

748
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,799
we should be able to see it so um

749
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,520
you know being a female in science

750
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,000
how has the landscape changed is like a

751
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,919
female perspective from like over the

752
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,840
years from when you maybe first started

753
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,840
to where it has now has how has it

754
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,799
changed for women in science

755
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,480
i think it's steadily progressing and

756
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,480
becoming better and better i cannot

757
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,080
imagine how difficult it must have been

758
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,960
let's say 50 years ago or 30 years ago

759
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,799
but i think it's uh

760
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,399
always progressing and

761
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,320
the conditions today are i think pretty

762
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,799
good it can still be better of course

763
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:44,880
and i still think there is some work uh

764
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,080
to do to make it better uh yeah and and

765
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,399
l'oreal is working like right now like

766
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,840
you're working with them and women in

767
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,600
science how did that all come about

768
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,000
working with l'oreal and um we watched

769
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,600
the video that's come out that they did

770
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,360
the little bio piece on you which is

771
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,279
really lovely and wonderful

772
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:03,120
how did that all start and to be honest

773
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,159
that was one of the first times i've

774
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,679
heard that l'oreal has been been doing

775
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,399
that is a is a larger beauty brand so

776
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,919
you know kudos to them a little bit of a

777
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,240
plug but kudos to l'oreal for that but

778
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:13,919
yeah how did that all how did that all

779
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,750
do you like stories of the strange the

780
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:21,919
weird and the unexplained then we want

781
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,799
you to check out jim harold's campfire

782
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,520
the concept is pretty simple jim talks

783
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,240
to regular people about strange stuff

784
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:32,399
that happens to them and yes that

785
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,080
includes ufos along with cryptids ghosts

786
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,640
and head scratchers he doesn't

787
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,760
exaggerate or play a lot of spooky music

788
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,840
kind of like i'm doing right now the

789
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,720
stories speak for themselves one's like

790
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,440
a ghost story involving serial killer

791
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,080
ted bundy or the young man who

792
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,440
encountered an eight-legged demon then

793
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,919
there's the story of an alien abduction

794
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:00,720
by what could be considered a reptilian

795
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,600
now not all the stories are horrifying

796
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,919
some are actually pretty heartwarming

797
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,880
like a visit from a past loved one or a

798
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,200
peaceful near-death experience

799
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,080
regardless these are true and

800
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,120
fascinating stories told by ordinary

801
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,120
people who've had extraordinary

802
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,799
experiences

803
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:23,360
tune in to jim harold's campfire on

804
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:26,880
apple podcasts spotify or wherever you

805
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,200
listen to somewhere in the skies

806
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:30,559
and remember

807
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,190
so uh

808
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,480
i got the price last year and um

809
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,480
i was like uh

810
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,279
super super happy uh when i got it

811
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,960
because this is a price that you can

812
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,080
apply for

813
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,320
and i had something in my application

814
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,799
and i thought i have no chance like i i

815
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,200
i just applied like for fun i did the

816
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,519
best of course with application

817
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,360
and then when i like got the letter i

818
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,000
was super shocked and super happy

819
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,880
uh i i couldn't believe it that i got

820
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:07,039
the price and um

821
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,000
so then

822
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,799
well of course we got to know uh

823
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,200
the the organizers of the prize and it

824
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,799
was great because

825
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,360
um we were invited for

826
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,679
a virtual ceremony because it was during

827
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:21,279
the time of the pandemics which means

828
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,240
that

829
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,919
and they couldn't have the normal

830
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,760
ceremony where 100 people are usually

831
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,399
there and having dinners and all these

832
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,840
fancy things like having beautiful

833
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,679
dresses

834
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:32,480
yeah

835
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,320
ceremonies

836
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,240
anyway we had a virtual ceremony instead

837
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,399
so they were filming and

838
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,000
it was super cool because they also took

839
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,720
very nice photos with a

840
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,640
with a professional photographer

841
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,120
i thought it was super fun everything

842
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,120
yeah i can imagine

843
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,960
and you know even to keep on the the

844
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,039
topic of women in science do you have

845
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,880
any advice for women you know young

846
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,960
women that want to get into this topic

847
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,640
and are curious and you know are

848
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,000
interested in science do you have any

849
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,000
advice of how they can start their

850
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,240
career in that field my

851
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,039
most important lesson has been to trust

852
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,799
a gut feeling

853
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:13,039
don't listen to senior scientists trust

854
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,320
your gut feeling if you feel that

855
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,120
something is interesting you follow that

856
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,880
even if the other ones say that this is

857
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,880
boring or uninteresting or something

858
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:22,559
like that

859
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,440
and

860
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,240
i'm worried sometimes that maybe as the

861
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,080
longer we are in science the more we

862
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,360
kind of gaslight this inner gut feeling

863
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,240
we have like we we always self get

864
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,080
gaslight as i say maybe this is not so

865
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,000
important or so no i think one should

866
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,240
just trust it and

867
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,320
follow this intuition and to watch what

868
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:44,000
you want to work with

869
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,679
that's my advice

870
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,919
yeah yeah the the questions you're

871
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,960
asking

872
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,679
in in the projects you're involved with

873
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,200
uh are some of the most profound

874
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,840
questions we can ask of humanity you

875
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,240
know is there life out there what is out

876
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,440
there what comes next um i i i find it

877
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,080
so inspiring i remember hearing you know

878
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:06,960
someone like the character of

879
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,039
dana scully in the xbox

880
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,279
see she after

881
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,679
her character came on television they

882
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,200
said that women

883
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:19,519
got involved in the scientific world

884
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,640
almost it shot up like 68

885
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,360
and that wow she was the inspiration and

886
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,960
reason that a lot of women got into

887
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,679
science so it's good to hear that uh she

888
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,600
had an impact on you as well i can't

889
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,440
even imagine what that feels like and

890
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,919
that you're probably doing that for

891
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:37,840
younger women as well who want to get

892
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,880
interested in this it's it's very cool

893
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,240
and this is what we have to do create

894
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,720
better role models like interesting role

895
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,159
models that

896
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,640
the younger generation can be like

897
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,840
inspired by

898
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,519
yeah science is you know hopefully

899
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,720
becoming cool again in many ways and and

900
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,320
women are getting excited about it and

901
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,840
they want to join in the community and

902
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,760
learn more and research i think it's

903
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,440
it's fabulous you know hopefully we'll

904
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,919
see more in the years to come

905
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,519
absolutely

906
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,760
um well what's to come that's what i'd

907
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,480
love to ask yes to kind of wrap things

908
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,359
up two two questions for you um and the

909
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,320
big the first one is kind of big um

910
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:18,879
say there is in extraterrestrial

911
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:22,320
intelligence out there somewhere um

912
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,200
or

913
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,560
just something non-human um that

914
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,359
will possibly make contact with earth or

915
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,359
has made contact um

916
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,440
what do you what do you want that to be

917
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,200
do you want it to be alien do you want

918
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,200
it to be inter-dimensional

919
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,560
do you want it to be

920
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,800
humans from the future coming back and

921
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,679
visiting us is there any like

922
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,639
true

923
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,440
answer to this ufo question that you

924
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,480
personally

925
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:50,159
want um

926
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,040
yes

927
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,240
i would wish it to be some aliens with a

928
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,200
very

929
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,720
strong

930
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,560
um

931
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,000
interest into

932
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,400
arch that would compose a lot of

933
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,880
beautiful music and share all these arts

934
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,440
with us so that we could get enriched

935
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,760
culturally like

936
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,599
like for example

937
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,960
um

938
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,200
we have all these wonderful like

939
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,280
composers all over the world today but

940
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,839
imagine if we could get a factor hundred

941
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:22,079
more music coming to us to listen to

942
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,960
right

943
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:24,800
that's what i would like

944
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,920
i love that more art is definitely what

945
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,520
we need and who's to say some of these

946
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,760
composers aren't aliens i mean some of

947
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:33,119
the things they

948
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,150
yeah

949
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,720
so what comes next beatrice i know the

950
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,200
vasco project is ongoing um i know

951
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,119
you're doing some work with other

952
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,680
organizations and whatnot so what comes

953
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,000
next for you and your uh your endeavors

954
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,839
in the scientific world

955
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,680
so we are now

956
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,760
trying to wrap up the first phase of the

957
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,839
citizen science project we have

958
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,680
like more than 250 thousands of

959
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,119
classifications

960
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,359
and we're working on like vetting the

961
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,599
most interesting candidates

962
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,040
and also

963
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,400
we are now actually

964
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,560
doing the analysis uh in the searches

965
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,079
for these glints

966
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,760
along a line

967
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,200
and we published

968
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,200
one week ago a paper

969
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,320
um in act astronautica that describes

970
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,760
how we can do researches and now we're

971
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,200
actually carrying them out and we're

972
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,960
analyzing the results

973
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,880
so that is the first things that that

974
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,720
comes to me trying to see

975
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,880
is there a single piece of metal in

976
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,040
orbit around the earth before sputnik

977
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,069
so that would

978
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,760
would that sort of fall into the realm

979
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,839
of techno signatures some sort of

980
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,240
technology that

981
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,119
is not from here or originated on earth

982
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,720
would that be considered something

983
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,800
techno signature-esque

984
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,119
yes it would be a techno signature but

985
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,200
right in our own backyard it would be

986
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,280
let's say if et

987
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,320
er

988
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,560
threw some space trash on the way to the

989
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:05,599
earth

990
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,800
then we would see that

991
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:11,839
give us all your trash aliens

992
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,480
we will study until the end

993
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:17,359
exactly we'll be in museums forever yeah

994
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:18,240
yeah

995
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,320
it's like a bit of the projects so let's

996
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,400
see if it gives us any

997
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,880
consistent results or so

998
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,560
and i'm i think even leaving with the

999
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,560
concept of space trash is like i think

1000
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,400
it's awesome and i love the the whole

1001
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,560
fact like you look at like yeah like

1002
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,800
alien artifacts and things to that so

1003
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,480
i'm just glad that we're you know we're

1004
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,320
looking in all different areas so it's

1005
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:41,839
exciting

1006
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,800
much for me to go think about right now

1007
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,880
after this conversation and and that's

1008
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,520
what it's about it's about making people

1009
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,000
think and keeping that curiosity going

1010
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,839
and uh that's what's

1011
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,800
honestly going to unravel the the

1012
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,440
answers to the questions we've had for

1013
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,920
all of human history so i personally

1014
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,240
want to thank you for taking the time to

1015
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,160
talk to us today and thank you for

1016
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,280
joining us on somewhere in the skies

1017
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,280
thank you for inviting me i'm very happy

1018
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:15,680
you did and i i want to contribute to

1019
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:00,160
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